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		<title>Quotably Needs Conversation Context</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, a new service launched which aims to solve a &#8220;problem&#8221; with Twitter. If you&#8217;re not familiar with Twitter, its purpose is to answer the question, &#8220;What are you doing?&#8221;, so it&#8217;s easy to wonder why you would even expect a response. At any rate, Twitter has evolved into something that no one predicted: The [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 10px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="button_count" share_url="http://www.bwana.org/2008/03/24/quotably-needs-conversation-context/"></a></div><p>Yesterday, a new service launched which aims to solve a &#8220;problem&#8221; with <a href="http://www.twitter.com">Twitter</a>.   If you&#8217;re not familiar with Twitter, its purpose is to answer the question, &#8220;What are you doing?&#8221;, so it&#8217;s easy to wonder why you would even expect a response.  At any rate, Twitter has evolved into something that no one predicted:  <strong>The stock trading floor of tech</strong>.  Except in this case, it&#8217;s not stock that&#8217;s being traded, it&#8217;s tidbits of information.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwana/2358913000/" title="Quotably Needs Conversation Context by bwana, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/2358913000_99c3cdff8c.jpg" width="500" height="327" alt="Quotably Needs Conversation Context" /></a></p>
<p>One of the issues of this phenomenon, is tracking conversations.  If <a href="http://www.twitter.com/scobleizer">Robert Scoble</a> responds a question from someone on Twitter that I&#8217;m not following, I lose the context of the conversation.  It&#8217;s a frustrating task to keep track of what&#8217;s going on.  Enter <a href="http://www.quotably.com">Quotably</a> which aims to solve the &#8220;problem&#8221; of conversation tracking in Twitter.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.quotably.com" target="new"><img src="http://www.bwana.org/images/quotably_logo_large.png" border="0" /></a></p>
<p>On paper, it sounds like a great idea and will make all of our lives easier.  You simply go to the website, input your Twitter username, and out pops your Twitter conversations.  When I first heard about it, I was instantly skeptical, because I knew the initial design of Twitter did not consider conversations, but only blast messages to the world on what you were doing.  I took a quick look at Quotably, and my assumptions were correct, <strong>conversation context is guessing game</strong>.  It&#8217;s almost impossible to determine the context of any conversation.  If user A responds to user B&#8217;s tweet from yesterday, quotably does its best to fit the conversation in the right thread and most times it gets it wrong.  It&#8217;s inevitable, but I commend Quotably on their efforts.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I believe Quotably has <strong>dramatically</strong> improved the way we look at Twitter, but it doesn&#8217;t fix the underlining problem:  <strong>Twitter needs a re-design</strong>.  <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/fc4d55e9-4e33-57da-6981-b5dbf7ed93a29">Eric Rice agrees</a>.  There is no way to accomplish this functionality accurately without going to the root of the issue.  To try to aid the issue, I sent this suggestion to the quotably author for consideration:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwana/2358838134/" title="Quotably Needs Conversation Context by bwana, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2026/2358838134_133c384e51.jpg" width="500" height="201" alt="Quotably Needs Conversation Context" /></a></p>
<p>I believe this will aid the issue, but it will not fix it.  Only Twitter can fix it.  If you think I&#8217;m full of hot air, I took a screenshot of a conversation of Eric Rice and the Twitterverse about this very topic.  <a href="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/2358831338_a50050ff86_o.jpg" title="Eric Rice's twitter conversations - Quotably.com by bwana, on Flickr">Quotably tries, but fails</a>.  While you can make out some of the conversation, it tends to go way off topic.</p>
<p>Is this is a blog post to try to promote FriendFeed over Twitter?  Absolutely not.  As with <a href="http://www.socialthing.com">SocialThing</a>, <a href="http://www.bwana.org/2008/03/15/friendfeed-and-socialthing-are-totally-different/">they can&#8217;t be compared</a>.  As a matter of fact, I would <strong>love</strong> to have richer conversations on Twitter, but it&#8217;s a lost cause.  Twitter needs work.  It&#8217;s not completely their fault either.  We have transformed it into something it wasn&#8217;t meant for, so now Twitter has to adjust.  As for Quotably, I offer this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwana/2358125587/" title="Quotably Needs Conversation Context by bwana, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2318/2358125587_a42fdb1f8f.jpg" width="500" height="173" alt="Quotably Needs Conversation Context" /></a></p>
<p>And you can &#8220;quote&#8221; me <img src='http://www.bwana.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>FriendFeed and SocialThing are totally different</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bwana</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has been a firestorm in the blogosphere regarding the recent hype surrounding Friendfeed. Lot&#8217;s of so-called &#8220;prominent&#8221; bloggers have went on record approving or disproving the service. A relatively unknown blogger (at least to me), Louis Gray, shed some light on the service for me personally. At first glance, I dismissed FriendFeed as yet [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 10px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="button_count" share_url="http://www.bwana.org/2008/03/15/friendfeed-and-socialthing-are-totally-different/"></a></div><p>There has been a <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/14/friendfeed-is-this-years-twitter-but-why/">firestorm</a> in the blogosphere regarding the recent hype surrounding <a href="http://www.friendfeed.com">Friendfeed</a>.  Lot&#8217;s of so-called &#8220;prominent&#8221; bloggers have went on record approving or disproving the service.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwana/2335499550/" title="Bitstrips: 'FriendFeed Angst' by bwana, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3199/2335499550_f0d0ca89a0.jpg" width="500" height="216" alt="Bitstrips: 'FriendFeed Angst'" /></a></p>
<p>A relatively unknown blogger (at least to me), <a href="http://www.louisgray.com/live/index.html">Louis Gray</a>, shed some light on the service for me personally.  At first glance, I dismissed FriendFeed as yet another social aggregator with no real value.  <a href="http://www.louisgray.com/live/2008/03/duncan-riley-misses-point-of-friendfeed.html">Louis said this</a> which prompted me to try it again:</p>
<blockquote><p>FriendFeed has been described by different folks as a social Web lifestream, by others a Web services aggregator, or as a conversational platform. But it&#8217;s not just one of these things &#8211; it&#8217;s all of these things. There are a definitely a wide number of sites out there that let you share all your activity in one place, or to track friends&#8217; activity, but FriendFeed is the only one that lets you share items directly to the feed, elevate discussions through comments and show &#8220;likes&#8221; to highlight individual posts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, ok.  So FriendFeed &#8220;elevates discussions&#8221; started elsewhere.  Interesting.  I took 30 minutes to explore FriendFeed and began to contribute.  All of a sudden, I got it.  I understood completely.  </p>
<p>Recently, a service called <a href="http://www.socialthing.com">SocialThing</a> (invite only) launched which allows you to aggregate many social streams into your profile. SocialThing had a bumpy start once it was techcrunch&#8217;d and has since removed some of their services. (they&#8217;re now down to 6)  I haven&#8217;t had a great experience with SocialThing since they haven&#8217;t scaled appropriately yet and are still working out the kinks, but when it did work, I got what I expected:  An aggregator with the ability to direct respond to stream items.</p>
<p>There <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/watch-out-friendfeed-socialthing-is-even-easier-to-use/">are</a> <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/friendfeed_vs_socialthing.php">many</a> <a href="http://blog.pb30.com/2008/03/15/friendfeed-vs-socialthing/">articles</a> out there which seem to want to compare SocialThing to FriendFeed, and <strong>I offer that they shouldn&#8217;t be compared</strong>.  Why?  <strong>FriendFeed is a social network, SocialThing is a social aggregator</strong>.  </p>
<p>If anything, FriendFeed should be aggregated into SocialThing.  </p>
<p>While FriendFeed gives you the ability to aggreate many services (actually the most out of any out there), it&#8217;s main focus is the community.  This community layer discusses topics that are posted elsewhere, and while you think it may be unneccesary, I find that it enhances the discussion greatly.  SocialThing has no community, it&#8217;s an organizer.  It&#8217;s there for you and you only.  You can track all of your social networks and as a big bonus, you can reply directly the tweets, pownces, etc.  There&#8217;s nothing really wrong with SocialThing (other than it can&#8217;t scale at the moment), but I feel that FriendFeed is better for my purposes.  I don&#8217;t need a pure aggregator per se, but I do love communities and discussions.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost impossible to track and contribute to discussions on Twitter since it wasn&#8217;t built for that.  @Replies are sparse and don&#8217;t work.  Jaiku and Pownce had the right idea with comments, but I think their interfaces weren&#8217;t quite right.  FriendFeed&#8217;s interface is almost perfect for what you need to do.  You don&#8217;t need to drill down to a topic to see or comment on it.  It&#8217;s all fluid.  So what about the comments on the blog posts, tweets, pownces, jaikus that I&#8217;m missing from the source?  I&#8217;m not missing them.  Why?  I only care what the FriendFeed community thinks about them.  That&#8217;s the beauty of a community, you don&#8217;t need to go outside of it for a great discussion.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with building another layer around content.  If you don&#8217;t use FriendFeed and don&#8217;t see this layer, so what.  You&#8217;re missing out <img src='http://www.bwana.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   It doesn&#8217;t take away from the original layer, <strong>it merely adds to it</strong>.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found so many great sites and people through FriendFeed.  I&#8217;d say about 3 times as many as I found on Twitter, Pownce and Jaiku.  Why?  The information is well organized.  I can subscribe to 100s of people and still digest the right content.  Again, I can easily contribute! I can&#8217;t stress that enough.  <strong>The power of FriendFeed is participation</strong>.  </p>
<p><strong>One sentence summary:  SocialThing is for aggregation/integration of the social web while FriendFeed is for community discussion surrounding the social web</strong>.  In my mind, they can&#8217;t be compared.</p>
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