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		<title>FriendFeed Still Reigns As Conversation King</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today, I found yet another reason why I prefer discussing tech topics on FriendFeed over another popular social site, Twitter. FriendFeed&#8217;s search is a big reason why you should move your Twitter conversations there. The above example shows the value in retaining search data. Twitter search only goes back a few days (I don&#8217;t know [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 10px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="button_count" share_url="http://www.bwana.org/2009/06/14/friendfeed-still-reigns-as-conversation-king/"></a></div><p><a href="http://www.friendfeed.com"><img src="http://www.bwana.org/images/logo-b.png" title="FriendFeed" border="0" /></a><br/><br/>Today, I found yet another reason why I prefer discussing tech topics on <a href="http://friendfeed.com">FriendFeed</a> over another popular social site, <a href="http://www.twitter.com">Twitter</a>. </p>
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<p><a href="http://friendfeed.com/search">FriendFeed&#8217;s search</a> is a big reason why you should move your Twitter conversations there.  The above example shows the value in retaining search data.  <a href="http://search.twitter.com">Twitter search</a> only goes back a few days (I don&#8217;t know how many exactly, but it&#8217;s not that much) while FriendFeed retains much more data. </p>
<p>If you find yourself in need of data retrieval, I hope your data resides on FriendFeed.  So how do you take advantage of this?  It&#8217;s actually quite simple.  You simply post a new FriendFeed entry and &#8220;CC Twitter&#8221;.</p>
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<p>This will broadcast your your new topic to all your Twitter followers, and invite them to join the conversation on FriendFeed with a link.  Some people hate this because they have to click through and go to yet another web page.  Part of me understands this frustration in this &#8220;right now, do it yesterday&#8221; atmosphere, but the payoff is tremendous.  Not only do you get a rich, single threaded conversation out of the deal, but the contents will be searchable a year from now.  You can&#8217;t say the same about Twitter.</p>
<p><a href="http://building43.com">Robert</a> <a href="http://scobleizer.com">Scoble</a> has championed this technique for quite some time and is getting a <a href="http://friendfeed.com/dsilverman/f0cdf702/scobleizer-hate-links-that-push-you-through">lot of ridicule</a> from his massive Twitter follower list.  I believe he has a valid point.  <strong>Your data is lost on Twitter, it isn&#8217;t on FriendFeed</strong>.  It&#8217;s that simple. </p>
<p>What do you think?  Comment here or <a href="http://friendfeed.com/bwana/3d2f4e41/friendfeed-still-reigns-as-conversation-king">on FriendFeed</a> and it&#8217;ll all show up <img src='http://www.bwana.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday, a new service launched which aims to solve a &#8220;problem&#8221; with Twitter. If you&#8217;re not familiar with Twitter, its purpose is to answer the question, &#8220;What are you doing?&#8221;, so it&#8217;s easy to wonder why you would even expect a response. At any rate, Twitter has evolved into something that no one predicted: The [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div align="right" style="float: right; padding: 10px 0px 5px 5px;"><a name="fb_share" type="button_count" share_url="http://www.bwana.org/2008/03/24/quotably-needs-conversation-context/"></a></div><p>Yesterday, a new service launched which aims to solve a &#8220;problem&#8221; with <a href="http://www.twitter.com">Twitter</a>.   If you&#8217;re not familiar with Twitter, its purpose is to answer the question, &#8220;What are you doing?&#8221;, so it&#8217;s easy to wonder why you would even expect a response.  At any rate, Twitter has evolved into something that no one predicted:  <strong>The stock trading floor of tech</strong>.  Except in this case, it&#8217;s not stock that&#8217;s being traded, it&#8217;s tidbits of information.</p>
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<p>One of the issues of this phenomenon, is tracking conversations.  If <a href="http://www.twitter.com/scobleizer">Robert Scoble</a> responds a question from someone on Twitter that I&#8217;m not following, I lose the context of the conversation.  It&#8217;s a frustrating task to keep track of what&#8217;s going on.  Enter <a href="http://www.quotably.com">Quotably</a> which aims to solve the &#8220;problem&#8221; of conversation tracking in Twitter.  </p>
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<p>On paper, it sounds like a great idea and will make all of our lives easier.  You simply go to the website, input your Twitter username, and out pops your Twitter conversations.  When I first heard about it, I was instantly skeptical, because I knew the initial design of Twitter did not consider conversations, but only blast messages to the world on what you were doing.  I took a quick look at Quotably, and my assumptions were correct, <strong>conversation context is guessing game</strong>.  It&#8217;s almost impossible to determine the context of any conversation.  If user A responds to user B&#8217;s tweet from yesterday, quotably does its best to fit the conversation in the right thread and most times it gets it wrong.  It&#8217;s inevitable, but I commend Quotably on their efforts.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I believe Quotably has <strong>dramatically</strong> improved the way we look at Twitter, but it doesn&#8217;t fix the underlining problem:  <strong>Twitter needs a re-design</strong>.  <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/fc4d55e9-4e33-57da-6981-b5dbf7ed93a29">Eric Rice agrees</a>.  There is no way to accomplish this functionality accurately without going to the root of the issue.  To try to aid the issue, I sent this suggestion to the quotably author for consideration:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwana/2358838134/" title="Quotably Needs Conversation Context by bwana, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2026/2358838134_133c384e51.jpg" width="500" height="201" alt="Quotably Needs Conversation Context" /></a></p>
<p>I believe this will aid the issue, but it will not fix it.  Only Twitter can fix it.  If you think I&#8217;m full of hot air, I took a screenshot of a conversation of Eric Rice and the Twitterverse about this very topic.  <a href="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3086/2358831338_a50050ff86_o.jpg" title="Eric Rice's twitter conversations - Quotably.com by bwana, on Flickr">Quotably tries, but fails</a>.  While you can make out some of the conversation, it tends to go way off topic.</p>
<p>Is this is a blog post to try to promote FriendFeed over Twitter?  Absolutely not.  As with <a href="http://www.socialthing.com">SocialThing</a>, <a href="http://www.bwana.org/2008/03/15/friendfeed-and-socialthing-are-totally-different/">they can&#8217;t be compared</a>.  As a matter of fact, I would <strong>love</strong> to have richer conversations on Twitter, but it&#8217;s a lost cause.  Twitter needs work.  It&#8217;s not completely their fault either.  We have transformed it into something it wasn&#8217;t meant for, so now Twitter has to adjust.  As for Quotably, I offer this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwana/2358125587/" title="Quotably Needs Conversation Context by bwana, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2318/2358125587_a42fdb1f8f.jpg" width="500" height="173" alt="Quotably Needs Conversation Context" /></a></p>
<p>And you can &#8220;quote&#8221; me <img src='http://www.bwana.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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