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Will Apple Kill Palm’s Hype “Pre”maturely?
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7 Jun 2009Pun intended.
So Palm had it’s big day yesterday (June 6th) with their release of the Palm Pre and early reports are that they had a good day in terms of sales. Most stores were sold out by noon and others followed later in the day. Early reviews of the Palm Pre are generally positive and the community is rallying behind Palm in a big way.
We’ve also had some controversy surrounding the Pre already! First, we found out that the Palm Pre is recognized as an iPod in iTunes for synchronization. A lot of us don’t think Apple will like this, especially since a lot of former Apple engineers worked on this phone. Some high profile technology experts have gotten into it surrounding ethics and integrity surrounding receiving review units. Right or wrong, Palm gets free press out of all of this.
Press is good, until you’re faced with an Apple keynote. Even though it’s a Steve Job-less keynote (maybe), tomorrow’s kickoff of Apple’s Worldwide Developer’s Conference (WWDC) is expected to bring a lot of fresh technology news. Now if Apple didn’t have a particular phone in their lineup, I think Palm wouldn’t have to worry about the possible buzz kill surrounding the Pre. But alas, we have a confirmed release of iPhone 3.0 software (either tomorrow or later this month) and a ton of rumors surrounding new iPhone hardware.
On top of all the coolness that’s coming from the iPhone’s software revision, we’re hearing rumors about the new iPhone hardware that include:
- Video recording capability
- Front and rear camera
- Larger Capacity (32GB)
You gotta love the rumor mill before these Apple events. They almost have the ability to kill Palm’s hype on their own. Palm has their hands full. Apple still has the mind share on the “cool” smartphone market, but I believe Palm has what it takes to steal some of it. A new Apple phone 2 days after your release could be insurmountable.
Will tomorrow’s announcements squash Palm’s buzz? We will have to wait and see. I can’t wait. 
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63 Responses to Will Apple Kill Palm’s Hype “Pre”maturely?
Nate True
June 7th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Hi Bwana!
Word on the street is that Apple moved up the hardware release date from July 17 to June 8 solely to steal the Pre’s thunder. And that means there may be a shortage, as only one of the three expected waves of shipments has arrived yet. More info here: http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q209-prediction-iphone-video-launches-monday-june-8/
earlwallace
June 7th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Thanks for the real life appraisal of the smartphone present situation.
Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Thanks Nate. I already linked to that post under the iPhone picture
Thanks for reading earl.
Alice
June 7th, 2009 at 10:32 am
The Pre looks interesting – I still may be tempted but I’m waiting for the new iPhone (even though I’ve got a 3G one). Palm had no choice but to launch the Pre before the WWDC; one way or another, Apple will always steal the thunder. The Pre has to bust out of the geek zone if it’s to be as cool a product as the iPhone.
BTW, have you seen the latest CultofMac post?
http://cultofmac.com/photo-iphone-launch-versus-palm-pre/11437
Chip Dizard
June 7th, 2009 at 10:37 am
I don’t think so, but I own an iPhone and I just posted my video of the experience of getting a Pre in line yesterday. This is truly good for all consumers, competition makes it better for all of us. http://bit.ly/13tGwI
Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Alice – that cultofmac photo is amusing
Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Monday can’t come fast enough
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vijay
June 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am
yup. yup. yup. yup. aaand yup.
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Amir
June 7th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Yeap
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 10:54 am
You guys think so? I’m not so sure yet. I’m leaning towards yes due to Apple’s track record this time of year. If there’s no new hardware announcement, I think Palm will be in better shape. But as we’ve all seen in a bunch of a different places, new hardware is expected
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 10:56 am
I would be shocked if Apple didn’t release hardware. I mean the contracts for the original iPhone will be expiring soon and Apple needs something to get people to stay. New hardware, exactly what they need.
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vijay
June 7th, 2009 at 10:56 am
- "Monday can’t come fast enough
" not the post.
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vijay
June 7th, 2009 at 10:56 am
- "Monday can’t come fast enough
"
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 10:57 am
oh, heh
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Nation Hahn
June 7th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I do not believe that the iPhone will kill the Pre – room exists for all competitors despite the Apple fanboys. The Pre exclusive running out in 2009 is big for Palm as Verizon users who do not want to switch will be able to buy a Pre, etc etc. I switched from AT&T to Sprint for the Pre because I wanted it more than any current or new iPhone.
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 10:58 am
we’re talking about the marketing hype, not the phone
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I think that Apple’s marketing hype will crush the Pre’s, given that there will be new hardware.
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Apple’s app store and probably new hardware tomorrow will keep the iPhone going strong, but I doubt it will completely kill Palm’s hype. I think it can co-exist, but it will probably lose some momentum if Steve pull out his magic hat.. on monday
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 11:01 am
I might buy a Pre if it doesn’t take until Christmas for the phone to come out in the Netherlands..
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 11:01 am
I agree, but I think that the Pre will be the side note on the iPhone press this Monday, especially on the mainstream press. Side note: I just switched to FF from Twitter, and these live comments make me wonder why I ever used Twitter.
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Nation Hahn
June 7th, 2009 at 11:02 am
I do not know that it will kill the hype – I imagine the two will be compared etc – even with new hardware Apple will need some cool tricks to top the webOS etc. That’s just me.
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Ken Sheppardson
June 7th, 2009 at 11:02 am
You might be sick of hearing me say it, Bwana…
but I think as long as people are mentioning Pre in the same sentence as iPhone, it’s a win for Palm. If everybody just quits talking about the Pre tomorrow, that’s a problem, but if the converasation continues to be "does this kill the Pre", it doesn’t.
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Ken Sheppardson
June 7th, 2009 at 11:02 am
You might be sick of hearing me say it, Bwana…
but I think as long as people are mentioning Pre in the same sentence as iPhone, it’s a win for Palm. If everybody just quits talking about the Pre tomorrow, that’s a problem, but if the converasation continues to be "does this kill the Pre (or the Pre’s hype)", it doesn’t.
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 11:03 am
but Web OS is imho much more advanced that an Apple’s current iPhone OS withs easy card switching of apps and its automatic snycing with FB and Google.. Apple will have to poop out the iTable to kill the Pre’s hype…
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 11:04 am
But WebOS is weak in comparison to the iPhone OS due to all of the apps developed for the iPhone.
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 11:05 am
I’m not sick of it kshep, it’s a valid point. A big reason why I brought it up is because it could really help or hurt palm in my opinion. We know after Apple events, they usually dominate news. We’ll see tomorrow
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 11:05 am
yup, you got me there.. but i believe if the Pre is a succes, developers will come.. and I’m looking pure at the OS…
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 11:05 am
@Mister yup, you got me there.. but i believe if the Pre is a succes, developers will come.. and I’m looking pure at the OS…,, it is more advanced than iPhone’s OS
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Yes, and the WebOS would have crushed the iPhone 1.0 software if it was released near the same time.
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Ken Sheppardson
June 7th, 2009 at 11:07 am
We sorta have to keep in mind what success means for Palm here… it’s *not* "killing" the iPhone. It’s selling Pres as fast as they can make them. Nothing else really matters.
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I think other things matter, they’re just not as important
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 11:08 am
well, atleast this will force Apple to improve it’s os and finally allow background processes..
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Ken Sheppardson
June 7th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Dude. I was being dramatic.
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 11:08 am
darn, I totally missed that
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 11:09 am
I doubt that Apple will allow Background Process. They are so proud of the Push Notifications.
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am
@Mister but how are you truly going to multitask on the iPhone *without* true background processes.. push notifications are overated.. tell that to Phil Schiller
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Holden
June 7th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I don’t think so honestly. If i can base anything off of my oblivious tech mom she has had heard of the pre and is really excited about it. As for the Apple conference she has no idea about it and probably could honestly care less
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I don’t like the idea of Push Notifications, I just don’t see Apple allowing the hit to battery life. I mean my battery dies in about an hour of streaming internet radio with the screen turned off.
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tweetmagician
June 7th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Apple? Will Apple Kill Palm’s Hype “Pre”maturely? | Bwana.org: Pun intended. So Palm had it’s big .. http://tinyurl.com/rxh9jk
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tweetmagician
June 7th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Apple? Will Apple Kill Palm’s Hype Prematurely? | Bwana.org: Pun intended. So Palm had it’s big .. http://tinyurl.com/rxh9jk
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 11:19 am
I’m withholding judgement until I actually use Push Notifications. I’ll admit, that’s the biggest need I have at the moment for background apps… that and Pandora…
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 11:22 am
I recently saw the push implimentation of beehive Im and it’s not as smooth as the pre or android showing them in the background integrated in the os. It works, but it’s not as pretty
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Sebastiaan van den Akker
June 7th, 2009 at 11:22 am
I recently saw the push implimentation of beejive IM and it’s not as smooth as the pre or android showing them in the background integrated in the os. It works, but it’s not as pretty
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Now, I don’t mean to fully judge based on this. It may be a flaw on the developer’s side. I’ve only really tried this with one app which is TWiT.am; has anybody else had this problem?
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Nation Hahn
June 7th, 2009 at 11:26 am
My one complaint with the power of the pre is the battery. I may have to buy a second one to keep around. Then again the Bold I used to have wasnt nearly as powerful and was dead by 4 or 5 with moderate-to-heavy use.
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Mister IQ
June 7th, 2009 at 11:29 am
That shows one obvious benefit to the Pre, a removable battery which the iPhone lacks.
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 11:43 am
A bit off topic: After seeing the Pre in action, I gotta wonder if it’s faster to: 1. Quit an iPhone App and launch another 2. Switch apps on the Palm Pre. That interface is super sluggish.
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Ken Sheppardson
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Have you had a chance to use one yet, Bwana, or are going off what you’ve seen on video? (Not intended as any sort of slam, just a straight-up Q)
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Amani
June 7th, 2009 at 11:53 am
If you have an older iphone like the 2G one will u have video capabilities now or must u turn in your old phones to get this feature?
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vijay
June 7th, 2009 at 11:54 am
yes, Pre does take a little while when launching apps. http://friendfeed.com/palm-pre/448918c8/palm-pre-twitter-app-tweed-and-spaz-video-review For most users however, the regular array of apps is mostly the same, browser, chat, weather, twitter, music so it’s still a better experience than the current iPhones most of the time.
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vijay
June 7th, 2009 at 11:54 am
yes, Pre does take a little while when launching apps. http://friendfeed.com/palm-pre/448918c8/palm-pre-twitter-app-tweed-and-spaz-video-review For most users however, the regular array of apps is mostly the same, browser, chat, weather, twitter, music so once they are launched, the experience is snappy. So it "is" a better experience than the current iPhones *most* of the time.
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
kshep – it’s based on Leo’s demo from the unboxing. I plan to look at it more….
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Nation Hahn
June 7th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
I have found switching between App’s to be sluggish sometimes but other times it has been quick.
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smartgadget
June 7th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Will Apple Kill Palm’s Hype “Pre”maturely? | Bwana.org: Palm has their hands full. Apple still has the mind .. http://tinyurl.com/rxh9jk
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smartgadget
June 7th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Will Apple Kill Palm’s Hype Prematurely? | Bwana.org: Palm has their hands full. Apple still has the mind .. http://tinyurl.com/rxh9jk
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smartgadget
June 7th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Will Apple Kill Palm’s Hype “Pre”maturely? | Bwana.org: Palm has their hands full. Apple still has the mind .. http://tinyurl.com/rxh9jk
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smartgadget
June 7th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Will Apple Kill Palm’s Hype Prematurely? | Bwana.org: Palm has their hands full. Apple still has the mind .. http://tinyurl.com/rxh9jk
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
John Gruber has posted his WWDC predictions http://daringfireball.net/2009/06/wwdc_2009_predictions
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Ron Wening
June 7th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I havent done any time tests or anything but from my own personal experience I’d have to disagree with the launching of the apps being sluggish on the Pre. I found that it was really snappy and quick to switch between apps.
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Bwana
June 7th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Ron – I’m just going by online demos, I’ve yet to use one myself. Interesting you’ve stated it’s snappy.
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Ron Wening
June 7th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I must also confess that this is my first "smart phone" but so far, switching between some of the main apps has been quick. It’s the same type of feeling you get when you reformat your hard drive with a fresh install of Windows ME…minus the Windows ME.
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kenneth glenn
June 7th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
I have not used the Pre, haven’t seen one in person yet. But gauging from the local news and national news from the big 3 it has received a lot of coverage. Will it be squashed by the iPhone? Maybe. But as Andy Ihnatko has been saying on Mac Break Weekly, a lot, the local news will cover the new iPhone and will have a quick snippet in the end or beginning about the Pre. And in the market we are in right now, people might want to pull for the little upstart down on its luck Palm (David) instead of the Goliath in Apple.
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Moushumi Kabir
June 7th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
As a Pre user, I can definitely say its interface isn’t sluggish in any way. Pre’s multi-apps capabilities is very smooth and fast. The OS? As good as iPhone’s if not better, having used both. Pre’s short battery life and limited apps (that will no doubt change) are downsides for me. Regardless whatever version of iPhone is announced tomorrow, I’m pretty happy there is competition, better choice for consumers. Then again, I’m not a die hard Apple fan.
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